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 Post subject: I AM IDIOT! IDIOT I AM! POCKET 7s
PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:33 am 
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Was Top 9 in chips with 28 players left.
Top 13 gets paid. 100/200 blinds

I couldn't get away from this hand. :(
I knew I was in trouble when MORJA called 1200 more PF
but I think the flop sucked me in.
How would you've played this?


Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $200

Table: 4 (Real Money) Seat #7 is the dealer
Seat 8 - KALE420 ($3450 in chips)
Seat 9 - MORJA ($4585 in chips)
Seat 2 - TAPINTIME ($435 in chips)
Seat 3 - DHJ2003 ($6512.50 in chips)
Seat 4 - DENVERFAN18 ($11160 in chips)
Seat 5 - MONKEYBRAINS ($4957.50 in chips)
Seat 7 - PINKYDRAGON ($1325 in chips)
KALE420 - Posts small blind $100
MORJA - Posts big blind $200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to MONKEYBRAINS [7c 7s]
TAPINTIME - Folds
DHJ2003 - Raises $400 to $400
DENVERFAN18 - Folds
MONKEYBRAINS- Raises $1400 to $1400
PINKYDRAGON - Folds
KALE420 - Folds
MORJA - Calls $1200
DHJ2003 - Calls $1000
*** FLOP *** [5d 5s 6d]
MORJA - Bets $200
DHJ2003 - Calls $200
MONKEYBRAINS - Raises $800 to $800
MORJA - Calls $600
DHJ2003 - Calls $600
*** TURN *** [5d 5s 6d] [5c]
MORJA - Bets $200
DHJ2003 - Calls $200
MONKEYBRAINS- All-In(Raise) $2757.50 to $2757.50
MORJA - All-In $2185
DHJ2003 - Calls $2557.50
*** RIVER *** [5d 5s 6d 5c] [As]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DHJ2003 - Shows [10s 10h] (Full house, fives full of tens)
MONKEYBRAINS - Shows [7c 7s] (Full house, fives full of sevens)
MORJA - Shows [Ad Ac] (Full house, aces full of fives)
DHJ2003 Collects $745 from side pot-1
MORJA Collects $13855 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($14600:$13855,$745)
Board [5d 5s 6d 5c As]
Seat 2: TAPINTIME Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: DHJ2003 won Total ($745) HI:($745) with Full house, fives full of tens [10s 10h - B:5s,B:5d,B:5c,P:10s,P:10h]
Seat 4: DENVERFAN18 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5:MONKEYBRAINS HI:lost with Full house, fives full of sevens [7c 7s - B:5s,B:5d,B:5c,P:7s,P:7c]
Seat 7: PINKYDRAGON (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: KALE420 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: MORJA (big blind) won Total ($13855) All-In HI:($13855) with Full house, aces full of fives [Ad Ac - B:As,P:Ad,P:Ac,B:5s,B:5d]

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:43 am 
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It is clear your beat preflop....even more clear on the flop.

2 guys call your rer pre your in trouble. The fact they both called you on the flop should also tell you they have better hands (6 6) or a higher pair.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:42 pm 
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I would just call the min-raise pre to play them for set value. Too often a min raise is a high pocket pair in EP I think.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:18 pm 
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I don't like the tiny raise on the flop. No one is folding for only $600 more.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:08 am 
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GoldBoar wrote:
I don't like the tiny raise on the flop. No one is folding for only $600 more.


yeah that was pretty bad too :(

someone pass me a paper bag :oops:


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:32 am 
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I don't think your play was that bad. You just put yourself into a tough situation that you could have avoided.

When you get middle pocket pairs in a situation like this, you have to decide if you are going to play them for set value or play them hard. You want to make this decision based on the size of the stacks vs the size of the blinds....basically if your M is low enough you are forced to play them hard.

If you're raising them pre-flop then you want your opponents to fold. A small raise doesn't buy you anything except making your set less profitable if you hit it. I know it seems counter-intuitive that putting money into the pot makes a hand less profitable, but that's one of the strange things about NL poker.

Trying to control the pot before the flop with small/middle pairs buys you a lot. First of all it makes it cheaper for you to try to hit your set. It also disguises your hand so if you do hit your set your opponent will likely try a C-bet if they miss, increasing your equity.

Raising them pre-flop helps you to define your opponent's hand, but how much definition do you need to know that you're probably facing two over cards.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:05 am 
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DuggleBogey wrote:
I don't think your play was that bad. You just put yourself into a tough situation that you could have avoided.


ok I'll make 1 tiny hole in the paper bag so I can now breathe :shock:


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:18 pm 
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call for set value preflop and if you raise the flop than make a real raise not as little as 800 if the pot is over 3000chips.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:06 am 
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Also, why did you push on the turn. Did you really think that you could make a better hand fold that spot? You had to at least suspect you might be beat. You didn't need to go broke. Just make the call for only $200 more if you can't let it go and see what the action is on the river.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:04 am 
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DuggleBogey wrote:
I don't think your play was that bad. You just put yourself into a tough situation that you could have avoided.

When you get middle pocket pairs in a situation like this, you have to decide if you are going to play them for set value or play them hard. You want to make this decision based on the size of the stacks vs the size of the blinds....basically if your M is low enough you are forced to play them hard.

If you're raising them pre-flop then you want your opponents to fold. A small raise doesn't buy you anything except making your set less profitable if you hit it. I know it seems counter-intuitive that putting money into the pot makes a hand less profitable, but that's one of the strange things about NL poker.

Trying to control the pot before the flop with small/middle pairs buys you a lot. First of all it makes it cheaper for you to try to hit your set. It also disguises your hand so if you do hit your set your opponent will likely try a C-bet if they miss, increasing your equity.

Raising them pre-flop helps you to define your opponent's hand, but how much definition do you need to know that you're probably facing two over cards.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:20 pm 
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I can't remember this hand :?


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:02 am 
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moneymate wrote:
I can't remember this hand :?


That's probably for the best


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Auch!


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