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 Post subject: League hand call or fold?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:08 pm 
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Vilain is 21/7 in 150 hands or so, no other reads....


PokerStars Game #24002193736: Tournament #134451730, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2009/01/17 17:03:09 ET
Table '134451730 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: docster69 (2040 in chips)
Seat 2: Tabansky (7335 in chips)
Seat 3: hkjay (4995 in chips)
Seat 5: Scott3131 (3970 in chips)
Seat 7: xgambler83 (3075 in chips)
Seat 8: onemnblitz (7155 in chips)
Seat 9: Blather (9200 in chips)
docster69: posts the ante 25
Tabansky: posts the ante 25
hkjay: posts the ante 25
Scott3131: posts the ante 25
xgambler83: posts the ante 25
onemnblitz: posts the ante 25
Blather: posts the ante 25
hkjay: posts small blind 200
Scott3131: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to onemnblitz [Qd Kh]
xgambler83: folds
onemnblitz: raises 600 to 1000
Blather: folds
docster69: folds
Tabansky: folds
hkjay: folds
Scott3131: raises 2945 to 3945 and is all-in
onemnblitz???


Blinds are getting pretty high and we also are in Antes... Is he shoving wide enough to call here?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:09 pm 
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i instantly put scott on JJ in this spot and I call fully expecting to spike a Q.


So, what happened :?:


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:31 pm 
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Great hand reading skillz Hontis...

You missed a part though, you missed the "I have a better ROI in sharkscope, I will own you in these leagues, I cant stand losing against marginal hands rant that ensued...



Seriously though, was just trying to open a discussion on the hand. What's the play here? What kind of range do we put Scott on here? Marginal Call? Marginal fold? Fist Pump??


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:57 pm 
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With 10bbs he is probably shoving fairly wide there. The problem is that if you lose 4000 chips you'll be in trouble, and AA/KK/QQ/AK/AQ dominates you and you are a coin flip at best against the rest of his range. I think I would have raised to 1,200 knowing that he could shove a lot of hands and I would want to price myself into the call.

How you played it I would probably fold.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:23 pm 
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How wide would you estimate Kugr? Do we go AA-88... A-k to A-10? maybe some 20 hands? K-Q, K-J, K-10, Q-10?

I mean I saw his sharkscope and saw a really nice ROI... Figured he could resteal in this spot...

7 BB's plus we are in antes...

I have been blind stealing alot and probably have an aggro image....


Anyhow I figured this is about his shoving range (might be a tad wide)... If I run aganst these I get 47%..... I snap call 47 percent here, but maybe I should tighten up his range a little....


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:27 pm 
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Also Kugr,

Not sure I am aligned with the Idea of raising more, to price myself in to call any shove. Seems like if I am going to do that, I might as well Shove Preflop...


I can see a point for the other way, raise a bit less to give yourself room to fold a shove...


Anyhow, thanks for the comments, I definitely am not a tournament player, and like to hear the feedback...


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:54 pm 
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onemanblitz wrote:
Also Kugr,

Not sure I am aligned with the Idea of raising more, to price myself in to call any shove. Seems like if I am going to do that, I might as well Shove Preflop...


I can see a point for the other way, raise a bit less to give yourself room to fold a shove...


Anyhow, thanks for the comments, I definitely am not a tournament player, and like to hear the feedback...


If the sb and bb both have 10bbs or less then you definitely open shove. The problem is the sb with 12 more bbs. If you raise to 3x you can fold to a 9xbb more raise or snap call the 7xbb more raise.

If you have been stealing a lot and expect to be getting played back at with weaker hands, then you really do have to call here.


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