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 Post subject: Can I call the river bet?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:28 am 
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Very first hand of an MTT freezeout. Flop the boat. What is your action on the river? How about earlier streets?

TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT
Seat 1: godorak ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 2: RS8D ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 3: oojach ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 4: gega90 ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 5: Ramucho01 ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 6: pillepalle60 ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 7: perignan ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 8: junga- ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 9: VILLAIN ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 10: HERO ($1,500 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
junga- posts small blind ($10), VILLAIN posts big blind ($20).

Dealt to HERO 4H,4D

PRE-FLOP
HERO calls $20, godorak folds, RS8D folds, oojach folds, gega90 folds, Ramucho01 folds, pillepalle60 folds, perignan calls $20, junga- calls $10, VILLAIN checks.

FLOP [board cards: 4C,KH,KC ]
junga- checks, VILLAIN bets $40, HERO calls $40, perignan folds, junga- folds.

TURN [board cards: 4C,KH,KC,3H ]
VILLAIN bets $120, HERO calls $120.

RIVER [board cards: 4C,KH,KC,3H,KD ]
VILLAIN bets $400, HERO ???


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:33 am 
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Hate to do it on the first hand of an MTT but I would have re-raised or shoved the turn. Slow playing is good but it can backfire and most likely did here, mind you if he had the other king you would never have got him off the hand. Even if you busted out while it sucks you got all your money in good and he hit either a one or two outer. But no calling the river you lose to the king or any PP bigger than 4.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:10 pm 
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Definitely raise the turn.

With how it was played the only thing you can beat is a bluff or a busted flush draw. Fold away.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:42 pm 
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Why raise the turn? The villain has been betting out the whole way.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 5:31 pm 
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You have basically the nuts and you want to get as much money into the pot as possible. By just calling the turn the pot size is only going to be 400 chips. If he checks to you on the river you can only bet 400 or lower and expect to get a call really. Even if you just min raise the turn the pot will be 640 and you can bet more like 500 or 550 chips and expect a call. In this case it wouldn't have worked out because of the essential 2 outer on the river but most of the time it's the best way to get the most value out of a monster hand.


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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 10:06 am 
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Agree with above posters.

A turn bet is key here although I wouldn't shove.

If you raise the turn and the river comes down a king like it did then it is very unlikely for him to put you under pressure with a bluff.

How did the hand pan out in the end? Did you fold?


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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:59 pm 
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You flopped a great hand and villain bet into you twice. He likes his hand (typically this early people aren't 2barrelling). You should be assigning him a range which basically at this point is Kx with less likely medium pairs (66-TT). Either way he thinks his hand is good and your intention is to get as much value as possible.

You should raise the turn to ~$300. If he has Kx he is likely going to 3bAI, which is good for you. If he has a middle pair he will probably flat call, or fold (which would help you decide what to do on that river btw). If he has nothing, he will fold which IS FINE -- his chances of going from nothing on the turn to a hand he's willing to put in hundreds of chips on the river is very bad -- and in the rare times it does happen you might not even hold the best hand anyway.

I like the flop call though. As played you have to fold the river everytime, especially since his range is polarized towards a slightly higher pocket pair and your hand has become a bluff catcher. Only bluff you ever catch here is a busted flush draw. Fold.


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raise pre, raise flop, raise turn, fold river, yawn.


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 Post subject: Re: Can I call the river bet?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:52 pm 
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Reraise the turn. Try and get more value for your cards there.


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